ＩＳＴＯ的混沌实战贴之二
Some explanations about reverse bar (DBar)...
一些关于翻转Ｋ线的解释
We have on previous H4 session a bearish reverse bar but we do not take it because the angle is not correct. Prices must go steeper than MSs. There was steep movement but it was before bearish DB formation. When this bar appeared prices were in parallel with MAs...
我们有前面Ｈ４上的熊翻转Ｋ线，但是我们没有采取行动，因为角度不正确。价格必须比均线走的陡峭。这儿有陡峭的动量，但是是熊背离之前的ｋ线信息，当这根棒出现在和均线萍乡的时候
Well at the begining of US market session EURUSD trade is in a good state
啊，正好在美国市场开市，ＥＵＲＵＳＤ正在一个好的交易状态。
No more orders have been placed because we have already 5 green AO bars and this up move will soon end...
没有下更多的单，因为我们已经有５根绿色的ＡＯ棒了，这次这个向上冲击很快就会结束。。。So the only action is to move stop loss below the low of the last bar...
所以为一的行动是将止损一道最后一根Ｋ线下方
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翻转Ｋ线无效
价格正和ＭＡ线平行
I love this type of trading! Just rated the thread - ***** stars for you! 我喜欢这种类型的交易，刚刚看到这个话题，给您五星
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amaruenterprise Member Member Since May 2006 Posts: 270
Hi isto,
I really appreciate your thread. I just started trading this method after reading Bill's 2nd edition of Trading Chaos. It really helps to see how other traders trade this method. Have you read New Trading Dimensions by Bill also ? I have just ordered it and plan on doing some more reading over the weekend. I wish you well and look forward to
following your thread. Keep up the great work !!!
ＩＳＴＯ
我非常感谢您的话题，我度过ｗｉｌｌｉａｍｓ的第２版的混沌后，才刚刚开始交易。确实帮助了明白其他的交易者如何用这个方法交易。您读了ｗｉｌｌｉａｍｓ的《证券交易新空间》了吗？我刚刚订购了一本，这个周末通读完，我祝您顺利并希望继续跟踪到您的帖子，继续保持这了不起的工作吧。
Thank you both Miguel and amaruenterprise
谢谢Ｍｉｇｕｅｌ和Ａｍａｒｕｅｎｔｅｒｐｒｉｓｅ两位
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I already thought that nobody ever will post something ... Thank you for the positive attitude - it is something that always help.
我想确实没有其他人贴这个话题，谢谢您的正面的态度，这总是有帮助的。
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Hi isto,
and plan on doing some more reading over the weekend. I wish you well and look forward to following your thread. Keep up the great work !!!
and I admire them for consistency and all these clear tight explanations of the signals, mothos of trade, etc.
第一个问题，我已经读了三本ｗｉｌｌｉａｍｓ的书，每一本都读了好几次，我钦佩他的一致性，对信号的清晰的解释，和交易方法等。
I want to underline that I'm not a guru, neither have the key for wealth nor pretend to know where will be the price tomorrow or what will happen with any pair in the near or far future.
我想强调，我不是一个印度教徒那样的。既没有很多财富也没有预知明天价格的能力，或知道任何货币对今后怎么走的能力。
I've started this tread for three reasons:
我开始这个实践，来源于以下三个原因：
?to master myselft and to learn by my mistakes
掌握自己和从自己的错误中学习
?to help my best anyone interested in trading this method
去帮助许多感兴趣这个方法的人
?to discute this particular method with others using it so as to improve my own knowledge and skills.
?和其他使用者一起讨论这个特别的方法，从而提高我自己的知识和技能。
Trading is very fastinating way of life and I like it...
交易是一个非常有乐趣的生活，我爱他
Wish you many profitable pips
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Wish you many profitable pips
$i!
EURUSD H1 DB trade - day 4
ＥＵＲＵＳＤＨ１图上的ＤＢ交易，第４天
on the next day...
下一天
today's 1st chart is very doodle
今天第一张图很乱
At the end of US session yesterday I was 99% sure that I'll be blown away. I hesitated whether to close at least partially. This is the most painful part of the trade
- when there are many signals and each one is in the opposite direction
在昨天美国市场休市的时候，我９９％确信我会被扫掉，我犹豫是否清掉部分头寸，这是交易最疼苦的一部分，当出现许多信号而且信号之间又不一致的时候。
Finally I left anything to the market for even if stop loss was hit, trade will be profitable - much less, but profitable.
最后我留下他们任由市场走下去，即便激发止损，交易会盈利，很多损失，但是是盈利的。 In any case I placed a sell stop order below to the down Dbar in any case. 无论如何，我在ＤＢ下面下了个Ｓｅｌｌ ｓｔｏｐ单以防万一
In contrary of last US session close at the begining of EU session there are many up signals....
相反的美国休市欧洲开市后，出现了一些上涨的信号
So I'll keep stops tight and let's see what the maket wants... 这样我止损控制的紧紧的，看看市场想怎么走
(each trade day is described from post# 27 through post #31) 27贴和31贴 描述了每个交易日 Attached Images
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EURUSD H1 DB trade - End
两根连、连续的ＤＢ，但角度不好
翻转卖出单
我们在红色区域
根本没有加速度
ＥＵＲＵＳＤＨ１ＤＢ交易－最终
So here is the end of the story...
这是故事的结局
Stoploss has been triggered at 1.3633.
在1.36333位置激发了止损
the result is:
结果是：
13 open positions
１３张单，
one of them 2 lots and one 4 lots
9 profitable，９张盈利
4 loss，４张亏损
2 830 profit from this trade这次交易盈利2830点
because I didn't close when rules say I have to, almost 50% of the profit has gone
因为规则要求我平仓的时候我没有平仓，５０％的利润不见了。
Let's see whether this is the top of the wave and how will be with down Dbar signal 让我们看看这是否是这波的顶部，向下ＤＢ哦会怎样
as seen in the picture the angle between price and MAs could be analysed also another way (gray is old; white is new)
当我们看到图片力价格和ＭＡ的角度，也可以用另一个角度来分析，灰色的是老的，白色的是新的。
There is another Up fractal. I didn't place order above it because for now it seems that momentum is rather down than up and could turn a false entry point. On D1 base the momentum is 4 days down and on W1 acceleration is down, so it seems to me that a very strong impuls must appear to push prices up.
这里有另一个上升的分形，我没有在上面挂单，因为我看到现在动量向下的可能比向上的可能大，可能导致错误的进场。在Ｄ１图上的动量４天下降。Ｗ１图上加速度已经向下，所以看起来有一个强劲的推力推动价格上涨
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新的向上分形
翻转卖单
I have been a Profitunity trader of one degree or another since 1999. I moved my trading focus from futures to the spot Forex in 2004. It is still my trading vehicle of choice for catching a strong trend and capturing profits far greater than the move itself... it has given me over 300% of a move on several occassions. As time permits me, I will be glad to share some of my experiences with using all or part of the Profitunity trading approach; but for now, these words of caution: Have very sound risk management rules (the Profitunity way doesn't give you much guidance here!); and if you are one that tends to play loose with risk management rules, Profitunity will probably frustrate you!
我已经是一个一级的混沌交易者，１９９９年之前是另一种情况。2004年，我将我的交易又期货市场转到外汇市场，这种转变让我抓住了一个强大的趋势比这种转变更大的赚钱机会，这给好几次，给我我抓住超过３００％的利润机会。如果实践允许，我很高兴和大家分享适用获利的交易方法。但是现在，这些警告：合理的风险管理规则，(混沌交易法没有给您这方面的建议)，如果你放松对风险管理，混沌可能会挫败你。
...\larry.bye
Thank you for your post Larry,
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skills.
非常欢迎您，分享这么多经验，这么多机会提高技巧。
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I agree - and this is one of the most importent thing in trade but hard to apply -
a sample is my previous post where a big part of the profit gone...
我同意，这是交易中最重要的事，但是很难在以前的帖子里适用，多大利润跑掉了
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Wish you many profitable pips
$i!
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sill another tool helping to the system
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* formating is mine
这是我的情况
Bellow is a sample... Hope it is clear enough
下面是一个例子，希望很清楚
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这里，我将止损移到２根ｋ线
的上面，接触到红线的位置
这里我门应该出来，因为两
根Ｋ线收盘价低于红线
这里我们出场
了
EURUSD - new Reverse bar triggered
ＥＵＲＵＳＤ－新的翻转Ｋ线触发了
Expected though, price diving during last two H4 session surprised me.
虽然希望这样，Ｈ４上价格最后的２次跳水让我惊讶
Fortunately there were sell stop orders - 1 lot for each divergent bar. Currently both triggered.
幸运的是，我有２张ｓｅｌｌｓｔｏｐ单，每个背离ｋ线一手，现在都激发了
the begining of current H4 session another 2 lots sell stop order has been taken ... H4开始后２手的ｓｅｌｌｓｔｏｐ激发了，
Stop loss is set above previous bar high.
止损设置在前面ｋ线的高点
Interesting movment.有趣的运动
I've added the new exit line (described in post #39
) to see how usefull it will be...
我加上新的出场线，39贴描述的，看看多么有用啊
That's it.
EURUSD - new Reverse bar - Day 1
Well nothing is forever...
哦，没一样是永恒的….
This morning seems that market is wondering which way to take.
No momentum, acceleration is broken.
今天早晨市场看起来正在犹豫往哪个方向走
But this created two valid new sell signals a fractal and AO and one Dbar (false by the rules - because in almost in the lines)
但是出现了两个无效的卖出分形，ＡＯ和DB无效，（根据规则无效，因为几乎在线里面）
I placed a 2 lot sell order for AO and a 4 lots sell order for F and moved stop above last 5th bar.
我根据ＡＯ挂了两个ｓｅｌｌ单，按分形挂了４个单，将止损移到上面第５根线的上面
Let's see what will has in mind the market today.
让我们看看今天市场会怎样
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EURUSD - new Reverse bar - Day 1 end ＥＵＲＵＳＤ新的翻转Ｋ线，第一天结束新分形和ＡＯ信号没有动量
没有更多的加速度
No more wondering.
不用再犹豫
Trade started yesterday (post#40 and post#41) is closed.
昨天开市的交易平仓了，40贴和41贴
I want to mention two points
我想提２点
The strong support aroung 1.3585 make me to get out from last two orders. This gave me a smal profit of 1 pip ($60 for all 6 lots)
1.3585附近的强支撑。让我最后两单离场，这给我１点的小利润，（６手６０美金）
Dbar makes me to keep Stop loss tight which helped me to exit from the trade with profit.
Small, but profit...
ＤＢ让我将止损控制的紧紧的，让我获利离场
Here is trade data:下面是交易数据
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8 lots traded which returned 220 profit
８手盈利220
So I'm off and wish you a calm week-end
我休息了，祝您过一个平静的周末
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Originally Posted by dlftrader
I have been a Profitunity trader of one degree or another since 1999. I moved my trading focus from futures to the spot Forex in 2004. It is still my trading vehicle of choice for catching a strong trend and capturing profits far greater than the move itself... it has given me over 300% of a move on several occassions. As time permits me, I will be glad to share some of my experiences with using all or part of the Profitunity trading approach; but for now, these words of caution: Have very sound risk management rules (the Profitunity way doesn't give you much guidance here!); and if you are one that tends to play loose with risk management rules, Profitunity will probably frustrate you!
...\larry.bye
Thanks for your offer of help Larry. I believe that the strategy of adding to a trend makes lots of sense. My question is indeed about your risk management strategy. What size do you make your lots? Do you very the size at all or keep the size equal and take each signal?
谢谢Ｌａｒｒｙ的帮助，我相信顺势加仓的策略能赚很多，我的问题是你的风险控制策略，你下多大的单，你最大做的多大，保证在多大的一个水平，每个信号保证多大的水平。 THanks for your help.
向上分形
下降分形的牛背离
谢谢你的帮助 Jim No
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Apr 29, 2007 3:09pm
isto
Forex Trader
Member Since May 2006
Posts: 458
Hello Jim
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Originally Posted by james275
Thanks for your offer of help Larry. I believe that the strategy of adding to a trend makes lots of sense. My question is indeed about your risk management strategy. What size do you make your lots? Do you very the size at all or keep the size equal and take each signal?
THanks for your help. Jim No
Until Larry answer the questions, here is Bill Williams point of view as it is layed in his books (in brief trnasformed by myself):
到ｌａｒｒｙ回答这个问题为止，ｂｉｌｌ ｗｉｌｌｉａｍｓ在他的书里指明了这个问题，转换为我的方式是）：
In past years trends have been strong and relatively long this is why he suggests to add a contract on each signal. Nowadays trends are less long and are rare and this is why we have to profit from short moves increasing contracts on each signal. He also suggest adding in following proportion:
1:5:4:3:2 - i.e. 1st signal 1 contract; 2nd - 5 contracts; 3rd - 4 contracts and so on... 在过去的几年里，趋势很强，相对的更长，这就是我为什么建议每个信号加仓。现在去世后没有那么久，很少，这是我为什么从很短的波动中每个信号兑现利润，他还建议按下面的比例加仓，１：５：４：３：３，例如第一个信号１单，第二个信号５单，第三个信号４单，等等…. I personally do not use the above system, but dicide on each signal depending on overall situation of the market....
我个人不用以上的系统，但是决定依据每个信号必须基于纵隔市场的状况考虑。 Regards...
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Originally Posted by isto
Hello Jim
Until Larry answer the questions, here is Bill Williams point of view as it is layed in his books (in brief trnasformed by myself):
In past years trends have been strong and relatively long this is why he suggests to add a contract on each signal. Nowadays trends are less long and are rare and this is why we have to profit from short moves increasing contracts on each signal. He also suggest adding in following proportion:
1:5:4:3:2 - i.e. 1st signal 1 contract; 2nd - 5 contracts; 3rd - 4 contracts and so on...
I personally do not use the above system, but dicide on each signal depending on overall situation of the market....
Regards...
Thank you. I really think that adding on is a good profitable strategy. I like that you don't risk so much during the sideways market and then bump the # as the trade continues.
谢谢你，我确实认为顺次加仓是一个盈利的策略，我喜欢因为单边市场没有什么风险，随着交易的进行赚一堆
I enjoy your thread!!
我感兴趣您的话题
Good Trading,
Jim No